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| Apr 28, 2017 at 17:30 | history | edited | user45941 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 28, 2017 at 11:26 | comment | added | terdon | @trichoplax perfect, thank you! | |
| Apr 28, 2017 at 11:23 | comment | added | trichoplax is on Codidact now | I've added a paragraph on chat flags. Any feedback welcome. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 23:36 | comment | added | user45941 | @terdon I am constantly in TNB, and I have not seen a single flag used to try to enforce the Chatiquette since before the room owner election. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 22:07 | comment | added | terdon | @Mego actually, flags are indeed sometimes used against posts breaking the local TNB rules. I know from personal experience. I am not interested in the trolls here, trolls will be trolls. I am referring to well-behaved users of TNB who use flags to enforce your chatiquette. That's the only reason I am suggesting including guidance on flags. ROs can help there since they can kick the offending user and that is z viable alternative to network-wide flags. These aren't people abusing the flags, they are people using the only tool available to them and it just happens to be the wrong tool. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 21:35 | comment | added | DJMcMayhem | @ThomasWard I fully agree with suspending users for abusing flags. The issue is that it's impossible to tell which users are the ones abusing the flags, and that RO's have no way of dealing with flag abuse. If the flagging really is trolling as I suspect, freezing the room would punish the wrong users (innocent chatters) and reward the flaggers (getting a big reaction and causing trouble). | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 21:32 | comment | added | user45941 | @terdon As DJ said, the flags aren't on messages that the room owners could deal with. They're being used as a trolling tool. There is nothing that the room owners can do about them - only moderators and CMs have the tools to deal with it. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 21:32 | comment | added | Thomas Ward | @DJMcMayhem Then failing that, moderators cross-network should be permitted to wield a hammer and an ice beam to freeze the room and punish users. That said, since we aren't all mods with god access, we can't see easily who flagged what without poking Shog or a CM, and if we have to do that we may as well start issuing chat suspensions for abuse of flagging (just saying) | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 21:26 | comment | added | DJMcMayhem |
@ThomasWard FWIW, I'm pretty sure that most of the flagging going on is not concerned users going Oh no, someone broke the guidelines, I'm going to flag it!, but one or two users who have realized they can get a reaction out of users and mods when they flag harmless messages with no punishment. I don't think adding more room owners would really help with that, since messages that aren't problematic in the first place are being flagged. I do however agree that correct flagging procedure would be worth mentioning in the chatiquette.
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| Apr 27, 2017 at 20:36 | comment | added | terdon | @Mego I was thinking more along the lines of including flagging guidelines in the chatiquette. Since, if I understand correctly, the idea is to have a document that explains the rules of conduct for TNB, I am just suggesting that some general suggestions about how/when to use use flags and, more importantly when not to use them would be helpful. Room owners have nothing to do with flags, they are just people with tools that let them deal with the problem instead of having to flag. Essentially, they can kick misbehaving users. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 20:20 | comment | added | user45941 | Abusing chat flags falls under the scope of network policy. The role of the Chatiquette is to cover things that network policy doesn't. However, we do have a bit of a flagging problem in TNB. Unfortunately, there's little that room owners can do about it - only moderators can see the data needed to determine who cast flags and act on that. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 18:48 | comment | added | Dennis Mod | I second this. I've said before, both in chat and here in meta, that flags are not the correct way to enforce room-specific guidelines. Unless a post or user violates SE-wide rules, abstain from flagging and ping one of us. If it's something that has to be said in private, raise a custom flag on main. This isn't ideal, but lacking room- or site-specific flags, it's the best we have for now. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 18:22 | comment | added | Thomas Ward | I second the "Elect more room owners" things here. Rather than heavily using the chat flags system, which will very VERY rapidly incite a diamond storm to your room, you should elect room owners familiar with the culture, and refrain from using system-wide chat flags on things, and instead prod the ROs. This also makes it easier on us moderators who get annoyed quickly about the "waste of flags" and such. | |
| Apr 27, 2017 at 18:19 | history | answered | terdon | CC BY-SA 3.0 |