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I've seen tons of Javascript + HTML answers, however... I was wondering if it's okay to compete in a graphical-output challenge such as: Use 16 colors while writing Hey! 4 times

Using an 05AB1E answer like this:

05AB1E/HTML5, 63 bytes

17F"Hey!"N<4%èžz<N÷300+h"<x style='color:#ÿ;'>ÿ</x>"}})¦J"'"'":

Try it online!

Should this be allowed? Or simply because it isn't a native function to render HTML in 05AB1E should it not be allowed?

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    \$\begingroup\$ I mean, it's basically a transpiler, I think it makes sense. However, it can't be likened to Javascript + HTML as you are not running the output of the Javascript, for example, through HTML. \$\endgroup\$
    – Okx
    Aug 11, 2017 at 15:00
  • \$\begingroup\$ @Okx yeah, that's a better way of explaining it. \$\endgroup\$
    – Magic Octopus Urn
    Aug 11, 2017 at 15:02
  • \$\begingroup\$ Write an interpreter that does the transpiling in one step, and you're fine \$\endgroup\$
    – Stephen
    Aug 11, 2017 at 19:40
  • \$\begingroup\$ @StepHen yeah, but seeing as that's theoretically trivial, do we need to write a transpiler, or should we allow any language to compete using HTML for graphical output? \$\endgroup\$
    – Magic Octopus Urn
    Aug 11, 2017 at 19:44
  • \$\begingroup\$ The current JavaScript + HTML answers are putting code in two different places, not using the output from one interpreter as the input for another. \$\endgroup\$
    – Stephen
    Aug 11, 2017 at 19:45
  • \$\begingroup\$ @StepHen yes, I'm not arguing that they're the same. Take for example if TIO had a built-in for "render output as HTML", would that count or would it not? And if that would count, would just stating that, "theoretically, when this HTML5 is executed by a browser, you'd get this: [image]", be okay? \$\endgroup\$
    – Magic Octopus Urn
    Aug 11, 2017 at 19:48
  • \$\begingroup\$ Please see this \$\endgroup\$
    – Downgoat
    Aug 12, 2017 at 20:51
  • \$\begingroup\$ I'd consider escript osabie test.abe | python -e "import webbrowser; webbrowser.open('data:text/html,'+input())" a valid interpreter... \$\endgroup\$
    – emanresu A
    Aug 2, 2022 at 12:33

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For most graphical output challenges, outputting HTML is ok. It's the same as a program outputting a bunch of data and saying "save this as a GIF/BMP/etc." The confusion for this challenge is the wording: Must be output in STDOUT or the primary colour text output of your language. 05AB1E has no form of color output so the OP's statement doesn't apply. You should ask the OP if your form of output is allowed for that challenge.

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Theoretically isn't good enough (such as a theoretical TIO built-in). An interpreter has to exist at the time of the question being posted. So if there isn't currently an existing way to run/render such code/output, then it shouldn't be allowed.

Have a publicly available interpreter / compiler before² the question was posted, unless explicitly allowed by the question.

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    \$\begingroup\$ So, you're saying that if Dennis actually added a built-in HTML rendering flag into TIO, then it'd be valid? Not asking for one, just trying to feel out where the line is here. \$\endgroup\$
    – Magic Octopus Urn
    Aug 11, 2017 at 20:31
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    \$\begingroup\$ @MagicOctopusUrn yes, but also note the no-competing rule was removed, although this would be in the realm of a standard loophole imo \$\endgroup\$
    – Stephen
    Aug 11, 2017 at 20:37

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